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Post by acarlson1980 on Dec 18, 2008 8:09:34 GMT -8
ya i know that.
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Post by kimc on Dec 18, 2008 9:43:10 GMT -8
amen, KCAC being investigated. however, in the mean time, the "follow thru" on this case seems not to be happening. tash posted that there was a deadline for the placement of the remaining horses of Dec. 5th. did all the horses get placed or were they given to friends on paper?
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 18, 2008 10:29:02 GMT -8
I don't know the final outcome for the horses...
But it seems to me that there were an awful lot of folks saying not to worry about the court and that the horses would be safe and all that because all these rescues were standing by to pick up the horses and the horse community would flock together to find homes for them... Well, when I listed those horses all over the place and rescues were contacted and all that, I saw a distinct lack of stepping up. The folks who did step up and offer homes for the horses were NOT in any way the folks who said they would. The folks who said they would... well, I heard nothing from them, except more b1tching. So I am just about fed up with everyone whining and making promises on these boards where everyone feels they can say everything and then no one bothers to actually act. Anyone who is concerned about where the horses are now? Well, they would be in your barn if you had wanted them there.
Boy, that sounded grumpy! Oh well. I've got more snow in the last 24 hours then my area has had combined in years and I cannot get out of my house and I am bloody well *PISSED*.
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Post by djrepp on Dec 18, 2008 12:39:04 GMT -8
What?
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Post by pals on Dec 18, 2008 14:05:04 GMT -8
Okay I talked to Dean and offered to pick up horses that CBER was willing to take however she decided that she wanted thoses horse to go to SOS so its on her. She declined to take me and CBER up on the offer so she needs to make sure those horses get to SOS I'm out of it as I will not offer again.
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Post by watermarkfarm on Dec 18, 2008 14:11:32 GMT -8
>>>>>Boy, that sounded grumpy! Oh well. I've got more snow in the last 24 hours then my area has had combined in years and I cannot get out of my house and I am bloody well *PISSED*.<<<<
That sounds difficult. Here in CA, we have the same cold front and are hoping we might get a dusting of snow, something that only happens about once every 10 years where we live. I'm laughing because you are snowed in, and we are sitting here hoping it snows! Sorry for your troubles....
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Post by biggirlpants on Dec 18, 2008 14:17:56 GMT -8
I don't know the final outcome for the horses... But it seems to me that there were an awful lot of folks saying not to worry about the court and that the horses would be safe and all that because all these rescues were standing by to pick up the horses and the horse community would flock together to find homes for them... Well, when I listed those horses all over the place and rescues were contacted and all that, I saw a distinct lack of stepping up. The folks who did step up and offer homes for the horses were NOT in any way the folks who said they would. The folks who said they would... well, I heard nothing from them, except more b1tching. So I am just about fed up with everyone whining and making promises on these boards where everyone feels they can say everything and then no one bothers to actually act. Anyone who is concerned about where the horses are now? Well, they would be in your barn if you had wanted them there. Boy, that sounded grumpy! Oh well. I've got more snow in the last 24 hours then my area has had combined in years and I cannot get out of my house and I am bloody well *PISSED*. Dean contacted various rescues but attempted to dictate terms/horses. Some of the horses she tried to place with rescues didn't fit within a rescue's perameters. Many of them were already full (no surprise). Why the **CK should other rescues have to clean up this convicted-abuser sociopathic hoarding wretch's MESS when she a) has supporters (RO Board) who continued to fund (evidently) auction rescues despite pending charges, and b) ignores a court order to cease involvement with rescue???!!! The sense of entitlement here makes my blood boil. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, and if you didn't I apologize, but jesus, I for one am sick of this convicted-abuser sociopath-hoarding-wretch and the fallout from her.
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Post by TashGaia on Dec 18, 2008 14:32:49 GMT -8
I didn't really mean it any way... we now have over 12" of snow and it is still falling. I cannot get out of my house and I had some very important stuff that I was supposed to do today.
So, I will address the points you bring up because you are addressing them to me, but I am not meaning to be
a. I am not aware of anyone who has ever funded any of her stuff b. I am unaware of such an order, or of continued involvement in horse rescue other then cheerleading for others c. I was BCCed on the emails to the other rescues and never once saw anything that would indicated an attempt to dictate terms/horses.
I do not believe that anyone/anygroup should be required or even expected to clean up another person's mess. What irritates me and what I was trying to address but may not have been clear, is that folks offer and promise a lot on public boards, but then do not live up to it in private. Often times this makes me wonder if their offers were in reality just publicity stunts where they never did intend to help... and this is by no means specifically directed to this case, nor am I addressing it specifically to this case. People all over the internet and have been doing so for years and it really annoys me. How many times have you seen people promise something on the internet in the heat of the moment and then refuse to follow through once the spot light has shifted? It has been a pet peeve of mine ever since the long ago days when I was a banker for CBER and folks would pledge money when the rallying was going on and then refuse to send it in later and I always seemed to get stuck covering for them.
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Post by kimc on Dec 18, 2008 15:04:21 GMT -8
yes, i did hear of attempts to get horses from her but she wants it HER way, not the way it should be done...let me get this straight, she STILL has the CBER horses that were going to SOS? how is this not in violation of her sentence? she still has horses, plain and simple. other people and other rescues need to come to her aid but they have to do it ON HER TERMS? ...people are just tired of being manipulated by her. IMO, no PEC horses should move ANYWHERE without KCAC/PO present and fully in the loop. good point, biggirlpants, seems like the RO board would have come to her aid a bit more....
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Post by kimc on Dec 18, 2008 15:20:07 GMT -8
thanks for that posting pal. i think it is important that people know that dean turns rescues down that offer to help.
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Post by kimc on Dec 18, 2008 15:59:20 GMT -8
CBER would take the horses back and dean knows it...she just doesnt want to follow the rules that the authorities want followed...
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Post by biggirlpants on Dec 18, 2008 16:48:23 GMT -8
I didn't really mean it any way... we now have over 12" of snow and it is still falling. I cannot get out of my house and I had some very important stuff that I was supposed to do today. So, I will address the points you bring up because you are addressing them to me, but I am not meaning to be a. I am not aware of anyone who has ever funded any of her stuff b. I am unaware of such an order, or of continued involvement in horse rescue other then cheerleading for others c. I was BCCed on the emails to the other rescues and never once saw anything that would indicated an attempt to dictate terms/horses. I do not believe that anyone/anygroup should be required or even expected to clean up another person's mess. What irritates me and what I was trying to address but may not have been clear, is that folks offer and promise a lot on public boards, but then do not live up to it in private. Often times this makes me wonder if their offers were in reality just publicity stunts where they never did intend to help... and this is by no means specifically directed to this case, nor am I addressing it specifically to this case. People all over the internet and have been doing so for years and it really annoys me. How many times have you seen people promise something on the internet in the heat of the moment and then refuse to follow through once the spot light has shifted? It has been a pet peeve of mine ever since the long ago days when I was a banker for CBER and folks would pledge money when the rallying was going on and then refuse to send it in later and I always seemed to get stuck covering for them. OK I understand where you are coming from now and agree - this is one reason why I have a HUGE problem with any rescues depending solely on internet solicitations or even simply donations to fund their endeavors. I also was mistaken about the order to cease rescue work - according to a write-up of the hearing and sentencing, it was PEC's husband's words. Contradictory indeed, but not a violation of her sentencing. (And - why the HELL would ANYONE support or give her any kind of credence - even by listening! - to this convicted animal-abuser??!) As to the funding of auction rescues despite pending charges (her auction "rescues" happened this summer, IIRC) - because I don't go to the RO board (but do lurk at a few others) I may be guilty of ass/uming. Do they not pool together money to get horses at auction there? Did PEC also allow you to see the responses from the various rescues? Given her manipulative nature, I would bet that you were not privy to them. Be careful of being played by her...
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Post by kimc on Dec 18, 2008 17:19:57 GMT -8
good point biggirlpants...i know of many people offering to take horses that got turned away but dean would never tell you about those....the victim angle is much more self serving and her style.
she IS supposed to be out of horse rescue...until she can prove to the courts she is mentally and financially able to and then she can have four (i hated having to type that last part). i have heard that her husband has begged her over the years to stop but has financed the operation even so. what about the psych eval and the comm serv? i wonder when that starts.
as far as the auction purchases, i dont know...i heard it was more of a lean over and say "hey, pay for that horse for me to save and i will pay you back later"...show up with an empty rig and play the hero role but with empty pockets...dont know, maybe someone that reads this board and was there sometimes could clarify how those "rescues" went down....
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Post by jessiegirl19810 on Dec 19, 2008 8:44:14 GMT -8
I think what Tash is trying to say is that people who assured her they would step up for these horses did not. Dean had nothing to gain by asking rescues to take them but still peoples anger overrode the needs of the horses. I know people were full I get that but others could have helped and didnt. What damage did this do to Dean ? Nothing. The horses lost once again. I am super sensitive about this because I know these horses and had a relationship with them. I know Serenity offered to take some and were turned down and the horse they wanted most put down. (That is utter b.s. and disgusting in my book) I think it is so very wrong that people refused to step up because of who the horses were owned by. What sense does this make?
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Post by biggirlpants on Dec 19, 2008 11:14:30 GMT -8
I understand and agree with TashGaia's point about individuals not coming through. I ABSOLUTELY disagree with you about the rescues' role in this as harming horses. That's like blaming foster parents for the harm caused to children by the people who REALLY harmed kids. Rescues *did* offer to help, but within each rescue's *own* perameters and terms. Dean obviously continued to try to control (typical of a hoarder!) what horses went where. IMO there is NO DIFFERENCE between Dean surrendering horses, and other owner-surrenders. Yet - she apparently thought there was, because she continued to try to dictate where/to whom the horses went. Tell me - what is the difference?
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