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Post by Guest on May 6, 2008 9:14:19 GMT -8
AGAIN AC NEVER confiscated/took/led/ whatever you want to call it from PEC. Though this board was about the facts! You guys are NUTS if you believe there was no grounds for prosecution! The courts wouldn't WASTE their TIME if there was no reason! For what possible reason would they bring charges in an already overloaded system??? Are they just "Out to get her???" Give me a break!
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Post by galaxy on May 6, 2008 10:25:57 GMT -8
[quote author=Old Nelly board=general thread=7 post=181 All 3 Vets are on the record against Dr. Hannah Evergreens diagnosis on the 4 horses she has been charged with and will continue to trial with PEC if it even goes that far. That is from the court records today! Just fact. [/quote] I am curious what are the vets on record saying? Are they stating that these horses were not underweight? Are they stating that these horses did not have Lice? Are they stating that these horses had proper hoof care? If that is the case then when was the last visit made by these "vets" to these horses in particular and what was their record of care? Someone got the court records and posted it before- I would love to see the records regarding this matter.
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Post by Just the facts on May 6, 2008 17:27:31 GMT -8
Dear old nelly - If you are saying this board is just about the facts, then you need to go crawl back under your rock and stop with the lies.
We all know that Dean had lots of notice to get all the horses off her property before Animal Control came at the end of Feburary. She took the ones she wanted and left the rest. When Animal Control and rescue groups got there with their horse trailers, Dean voluntarily surrendered the remaining horses to them. There were about 15 horses that were taken by AC. Technically they were not confiscated by definition of the word, but they were certainly taken off the property and put in a safe place by Animal control. If AC had not gone to get them, they would have sat out there in the mud and became sicker. Three of them have already had to be put down. Of the others, some are still underwieght after 2 1/2 months of good care and food, some of them are still lame due to neglected hoof care, some are still missing large quantities of hair due to lice, fungal, and bacterial infections.
If you think you are fooling any of us with your stories, you need a reality check. Go see the horses for yourself.
A few months back there was a case in Pierce County where 15 horses were confiscated by Animal Control. They were sent to a rescue (Hope for Horses?) for one month while the county paid $300 a head for boarding for theses horses. Why is Pierce county paying to board the rescued horses, but King County is expecting private parties to foot the bill for the rescued horses? This is not our fault. The county needs to step up and put their money where their mouths are. Anyone agree?
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Post by Gitalong Old Nelly on May 9, 2008 9:35:34 GMT -8
....Meanwhile, Dean Solomon has pledged to support a rescued TB mare on the RO board with a $250/month pledge "for as long as it takes."
$250 would go a long way toward feeding all the horses she has offed on various rescues over the past few months, but then again, no one would put Dean up on a pedestal for that.
And we all know that's what she lives for. Recognition, not results.
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Post by saw it myself on May 11, 2008 19:00:40 GMT -8
Who are the 3 vets that Dean says have come forward to contradict the testimony of Dr. Evergreen? One must be Dr. Emig, but who are the others that are willing to put their reputations on the line for her?
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Post by Old Nelly on May 12, 2008 8:23:02 GMT -8
They are all long standing reputable equine Vets. All that think Dr. Hannah Evergreen is ignorant and needs to be outed for the kind of Vet she is. It was ONLY from her reports that PEC was charged. NOT Animal Control.
There is a large growing concern regarding her holistic approach in her practice and her PETA ties.
"She took the ones she wanted and left the rest".
NO, PEC DID NOT WANT TO PUT THE OLDER CRIPPLED HORSES IN A PASTURE WITH YOUNG HORSES FOR FEAR OF INJURY. NO HORSES WERE EVER LEFT BEHIND.
"There were about 15 horses that were taken by AC. Technically they were not confiscated by definition of the word, but they were certainly taken off the property and put in a safe place by Animal control. If AC had not gone to get them, they would have sat out there in the mud and became sicker".
AC NEVER ASKED PEC TO SURRENDER ANY HORSES! EVER. NOR DID THEY COME TO GET THEM OR TRANSPORT THEM!
People are right. This board is only accusations.
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Post by guest on May 12, 2008 8:40:17 GMT -8
They are all long standing reputable equine Vets. All that think Dr. Hannah Evergreen is ignorant and needs to be outed for the kind of Vet she is. It was ONLY from her reports that PEC was charged. NOT Animal Control. There is a large growing concern regarding her holistic approach in her practice and her PETA ties. Wow. What kind of vet would that be?? One that went to vet school so that she could help rescued horses? One that constantly donates her time and services to horses in need? One that actually cares about each and every animal she treats and not about the money? Who cries for each horse she has to put down because of someone else's abuse or neglect? One that constantly works toward furthering her own education, who works with both traditional western medicine and also is certified in chirpractic, acupuncture, and herbal therapies and uses these together for the best possible outcome for the horse? Yeah, that does sound like a vet that should be avoided at all costs. Oh, and Dr. Emig is quite a vet. I especially loved this quote from him, this is the best he could come up with in defense of Dean: ""Some of them are going to fall by the side like war," he said. "But she has done more good than she does harm" What the hell does that mean?? I believe he is drawing an analogy that rescuing is like war - where you send your "troops" (horses) into "battle" and sometimes there are casualties for the greater good? "Does more harm than good"? Is that NOT an admission that she IS doing harm? Sure sounds like it to me. I thought the oath of a vet was "first do no harm". I would think this would be true of a rescuer as well.
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Post by saw it myself on May 12, 2008 9:03:24 GMT -8
I am questioning the vets who support Dean because I know a very reputable vet that Dean ran up thousands of dollars in bills to and as a result was cut off at one time. More recently, she falsefied services by this vet to an adopter (refer to the Morocco story). There are vets out there who can prove issues with Dean but have not done so. It will be interesting to see if that does happen.
I also have serious concerns with AC's handling of this long-standing case. Any officers who would allow themselves to be photographed, smiling with the subjects of an open case, which in turn was put out by PEC on Craigslist as "proof" of no AC issues, should be removed from the case. To me this shows, at least, a lack of objectivity and a lack of judgement. so, I will stay sceptical of AC's handling of this case until more information is released.
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Post by onemorething on May 12, 2008 14:21:54 GMT -8
They are all long standing reputable equine Vets. All that think Dr. Hannah Evergreen is ignorant and needs to be outed for the kind of Vet she is. It was ONLY from her reports that PEC was charged. NOT Animal Control. There is a large growing concern regarding her holistic approach in her practice and her PETA ties. Umm, Dean Old Nelly? Did you not take your Librium today, dear? The "kind of vet that she is" is a board-certified allopathic veterinarian. Same as your other "three" vets, except that Dr. Evergreen also knows how to do chiro work, massage, and work with herbs (did you know, Dean, that *most* modern drugs are derived from herbs/trees? For example, aspirin comes from willows. Chances are, the drugs that should be prescribed to you for your hoarding problem by a psychiatrist are derived from some form of flora/herbs...) By the way, whatever happened to Dr. Bridges, who was your vet at one time? Did she stop coming after you didn't pay her? Is she one of the "three" vets you are mentioning? How many other vets did you manage to not pay find to come out? I imagine you must be on a pay-upfront system by now with most...
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Post by forthem on May 12, 2008 17:35:46 GMT -8
wow!!! so now your going to attack the vet that helped to free these poor horses, OK and I waiting for it to be a conspiracy, do you see little too??? Have you been standing too close to your microwave oven again??
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Post by kevorkian on May 12, 2008 18:23:05 GMT -8
wow!!! so now your going to attack the vet that helped to free these poor horses, OK and I waiting for it to be a conspiracy, do you see little too??? Have you been standing too close to your microwave oven again?? She has such a great track record with all the horses you have had, Joan. Not to be hurtful, but really. Rubbing a little lavender on your hands can only do so much (basically squat). I would never take anyone I cared about that was seriously ill, animal or human, to a holistic Doctor or Vet. JMO.
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Post by Guest on May 12, 2008 18:40:14 GMT -8
wow!!! so now your going to attack the vet that helped to free these poor horses, OK and I waiting for it to be a conspiracy, do you see little too??? Have you been standing too close to your microwave oven again?? She has such a great track record with all the horses you have had, Joan. Not to be hurtful, but really. Rubbing a little lavender on your hands can only do so much (basically squat). I would never take anyone I cared about that was seriously ill, animal or human, to a holistic Doctor or Vet. JMO. No you would rather just put them to sleep if your NAME has anything to do with it...
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Post by galaxy on May 12, 2008 19:10:31 GMT -8
Why are you attacking Joan? The animals that have passed had nothing to do with Hanna except Maverick (old horse with many problems) that she put down at Joan's request. Since you do not seem to know what happened to the horses that have passed away here is the list: Amber- was put down at Pilchuck-coming out of colic surgery shattered her leg. Black Licorice- died in QT (Yakima) of old age. Carbon- Day of transport taken to Pilchuck- severe Strangles- they said to put down-done there. Yosemite- WSU to remove kidney stones- had surgery/complications from surgery- put down. So once again the rumors are spread without any REAL knowledge of the situation. I happen to have a great record with Hanna. Obviously you have never used her services as she only uses Lavender to help calm the horses. What a concept-wanting the horses to relax for an exam or treatment. She uses western and holistic medicine- whatever can do the best job. I am a happy client and will remain one. PS-Your screen name says it all.
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Post by Marley on May 12, 2008 19:32:03 GMT -8
So let me ask you this.
A Vet sees a young horse that was a rescue. No known past. The horse has a huge flap of skin hanging on its leg and needs about 60 stitches.
Would your Vet give antibiotics or a tetanus shot?
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Post by forthem on May 12, 2008 19:38:26 GMT -8
marley who are you asking?
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