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Oct 3, 2008 17:35:34 GMT -8
Post by djrepp on Oct 3, 2008 17:35:34 GMT -8
Maybe Tash can enlighten us on that one.
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Oct 3, 2008 19:38:29 GMT -8
Post by acarlson1980 on Oct 3, 2008 19:38:29 GMT -8
what changed my mind was when angel died. she was very dear to me. i was going to adopt her. nobody else wanted her. yes i did back her up at first. that was when i first got involved with her. i am going to speak my mind at the hearing about her. there are exactly 11 horses on the property at all times. she is not allowed to have anymore. the day before angel died dean feed a colicing horse grain. who the hell feeds a colicing horse grain. so i feel that she indeed had a part in angels death. i was the only one who saw her do it. i also have caught her in many lies. yes she saves horses and for the most part had good turn around rates but for the ones that don't its hell. i really feel bad for the horses now because from the last thing i know is that dean fired everyone and she is supposedly taking care of the horses by herself. ya right.
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Oct 3, 2008 19:58:00 GMT -8
Post by 3spottedmares on Oct 3, 2008 19:58:00 GMT -8
I READ the necropsy. There was NO error in what Dean did! She fed her a very small amount as in 3-4 cups so the horse would eat its ulcer meds.
There was NO GRAIN in the digestive system. THAT did not cause the horse to die. She had an impacted secum that was not operable, ulcers and they found huge kidney stones. They vet was there at a minimum of once a day usually twice. The vet bill was thousands. I talked to Dean, her Vet and the Prosecutor and KCAC. KCAC DID NOT have PEC put any horses down. PEC did it. One had cancer and another one had bad back legs..
Now I'm not for or against PEC but I do know in this case your information was wrong. How many other rescues do you know would try that hard to save a horse to give it away to someone that wanted it?
Call for yourself and see.
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Oct 3, 2008 21:10:45 GMT -8
Post by acarlson1980 on Oct 3, 2008 21:10:45 GMT -8
hhmmm. thats kind of funny. angel was not on ulcer meds? where the hell did you get your info. ya the vet bill was up there. i know that. and she was only given grain that day. i would like to see the vet record that said she was prescribed ulcer meds? so get the story straight from qoute on qoute the horses mouth. they never found out about her ulcers or kidney stone until after the necropsy was done. im not blaming dean for what had happend to angel but dean should have done better care for her. when we got her she lied and said that angel was getting full blood work done. well that was about 6 months ago. so lets see we would have know about the kidney stone and ulcers wouldn't we. but no once again dean is trying to cover her butt!!! well good i feel better that it wasn't dean feeding her grain that cause her to die from the inside out. i was there that day and i sat there in the field with her. she had blood coming from her mouth and eyes. the only thing that her and her vet did was tube her and pump her full of meds. which is okay by her standards. and it has nothing to do with giving her away. when we fostered her under the pretenses that dean was going to pay for her feed. well guess what she never did. we footed the bill ourselfs. but im not going to sit here and ague with you about this because is a waste of my time. you were not there. we were. and i have finally but angel to rest in my mind. its hard enough for me. we were the ones with angel all night and day for the most part. if you really want the true why dont you pm me and we can talk about it. but not in a bad way. i dont feel its right to fight over her dead. she is dead and that will never change. also why am i being supeniaed(sp?) if dean did nothing wrong in angels passing. ask yourself that?
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Oct 3, 2008 22:47:31 GMT -8
Post by TashGaia on Oct 3, 2008 22:47:31 GMT -8
Maybe Tash can enlighten us on that one. Enlighten you on what one? I don't know jack nuts about anything that is going on there now.
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Oct 4, 2008 8:41:11 GMT -8
Post by kimc on Oct 4, 2008 8:41:11 GMT -8
did anyone report to KCAC about the foal dean aquired? or to the PA? we can post and chat about her violating the court order all day long but the law is the only one with the power to do something about it...yes, i know, they havent been successful for years but that should not stop people from reporting...
just be careful posting things directly about the case on these boards...you KNOW dean is one or two of these supporting characters.
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Oct 4, 2008 8:50:27 GMT -8
Post by kimc on Oct 4, 2008 8:50:27 GMT -8
OMG, that story of angel is just aweful. i normally dont read the stories about deans neglect because i have rehabbed so many PEC horses myself and all the stories repeat themselves...vetwork ordered, special diet, cannot keep wieght cuz they are old blah blah blah....however, i read acalrson's post and cannot fathom the sufferage that angel endured.
makes me want to go and throw my arms around my 29 year old that i saved from there over 2 years ago...she was your standard "shes old so she is skinny" excuse...funny, i have no problem whatsoever with her weight...maybe only that she is a little FAT! it is amazing what FOOD does for these horses...
dang, i have broken my rule not to post regarding this topic...i just had to rant after reading about angel, i am sick to my stomach...
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Oct 4, 2008 9:30:44 GMT -8
Post by djrepp on Oct 4, 2008 9:30:44 GMT -8
We have supporting characters on this board? I agree that this board should not be an open forum about potential testimony in the case.
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Oct 4, 2008 11:24:07 GMT -8
Post by acarlson1980 on Oct 4, 2008 11:24:07 GMT -8
im going to bring justice to the horses. we are the only thing they have to speak. im not trying to bash anyone so please dont think that. so i will leave it at that. i have no reason for drama. its way over rated!!!! lol
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Oct 4, 2008 17:22:05 GMT -8
Post by kimc on Oct 4, 2008 17:22:05 GMT -8
i agree about the bashing and the drama...HOWEVER, why is it when the truth comes out and it is soooo unbelievably horrible and more than one person has the same experience and they speak out TOO it is labeled bashing??? horse starvation, malnutrition, parasite infestation, and neglect IS dramatic. there is really no way to take the drama OUT of such a passionate issue.
i think the worst part of this whole issue, the horse sufferage aside is the amount of lying that went on and continues. so many of us were told so many blatant lies...so, when you say, acarl, that you are going to speak for the horses, i commend and appreciate you. horses dont know they are being lied to when they are told they are getting vet care/food and it never comes but they DO know when someone has rescued them and they feel their hunger subside.
to all those that GET TO testify (would love to get a subpeona) speak loud and clear for all those horses. Dont be afraid of the truth.
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Oct 4, 2008 18:03:51 GMT -8
Post by acarlson1980 on Oct 4, 2008 18:03:51 GMT -8
kimc thank you very much. i will do what i can ;D
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Oct 5, 2008 13:35:24 GMT -8
Post by kimc on Oct 5, 2008 13:35:24 GMT -8
like i said, i welcome a subpeona. dont think i will get one as KCAC says i am a little too passionate and i got my 3 outta there nov. 2006. never mind that the vet said one (the one i still have) probably would not survive. i saw things in and on the PEC horses that went to SERR that i have never seen before and hope to never again. your angel was my ginger, the mare with the stump leg...what a nice mare...tragic.
again, be proud on the stand and let the truth come out...be a voice for all of us who dont get called up.
keep us posted.
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