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Post by djrepp on Oct 26, 2008 12:00:46 GMT -8
I am not vindictive Dean. You should know that. I will help you. All you have to do is call me. Diane
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Post by chatty on Oct 29, 2008 7:49:44 GMT -8
I am not vindictive Dean. You should know that. I will help you. All you have to do is call me. Diane djreep, your a good person, but these closed minded "LADIES and GENTLEMAN" tick me off.. Just because a person is sick, does not mean they will show it...Yes, you can call me brain dead, if I get to tired, you will notice.. Medication can keep people balanced, help to control the septons..The course, no you just need to live with it.... Pray You Will Never Have To Walk In Another's Persons Shoes... Drop the sick nuts and get down to what you are trying to say..Or get off the apple crate... chatty
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Post by 3spottedmares on Oct 29, 2008 16:10:38 GMT -8
what she said
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Post by forthem on Oct 30, 2008 7:58:47 GMT -8
she is sick...and needs a place to be helped for a long long time, a place where there are no animals....and everyone wears orange.
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Post by kimc on Oct 30, 2008 8:31:57 GMT -8
hhhuuuuhhh? are we "chatting" about mental illness here??? fine, claim mental illness.
however, none of the hoarders that are having to take responsibility for their behavior recently have claimed BLINDNESS! Lice, flesh rot, feet desperately needing attention, malnutrition, depression, absesses can all be SEEN on good mental days and bad mental days. be responsible and if you have a mental issue, do not have animals that need a sound mind to take care of them, especially horses that have health issues...and shame MORE on those that enable hoarders and give them the resources to (money or otherwise) to continue...
Forthem...good one about the orange wardrobe...got a kick outta that.
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Post by 3spottedmares on Oct 30, 2008 15:05:58 GMT -8
Like I said !
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Post by chatty on Oct 30, 2008 18:46:11 GMT -8
hhhuuuuhhh? are we "chatting" about mental illness here??? fine, claim mental illness. however, none of the hoarders that are having to take responsibility for their behavior recently have claimed BLINDNESS! Lice, flesh rot, feet desperately needing attention, malnutrition, depression, absesses can all be SEEN on good mental days and bad mental days. be responsible and if you have a mental issue, do not have animals that need a sound mind to take care of them, especially horses that have health issues...and shame MORE on those that enable hoarders and give them the resources to (money or otherwise) to continue... Forthem...good one about the orange wardrobe...got a kick outta that. HAA HAA HA, your funny...Mental illness is a chemical imbalance... Let me through this at you..TS / MS...These are two disorders that have system of : poor balance, sight problems and so on....TS is tumors with the addition of seizers and MS is the destruction of the cover over the nerves ... Now when you stop being the closed minded person you are...Illnesses and animals go hand in hand...A blind person and their dog, myself and my dog (seizer alert dog)... You have to have a reason to get out of bed and that's my animals....As the only thing I've lost is balance and some eye sight...But you can live with that... So throwing ones illness in their faces is not needed...Find something else to yell about.... (1) Who and when did people enabler a hoarded... (2) How many of us said "NO MORE"...Stop rescuing if no homes are available... Can you think of anything else..GO FOR IT.. chatty
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Post by 3spottedmares on Oct 31, 2008 14:50:24 GMT -8
Here is some interesting info regarding hoarders:
Causes The rarity of hoarding and its bizarre qualities suggest that this behavior arises from highly aberrant psychological processes or brain activity. In fact, hoarding is a common, highly conserved behavior across species. Animal research has focused on food hoarding, but birds and other animals also collect aluminum foil, beads, and other brightly colored objects.3 In humans, the rare clinically significant hoarding that results in impossible clutter seems to be on a continuum with normal collecting and the universal tendency to hold onto clothes, books, and other items far beyond the point that they are used or needed.
Animal research has identified brain circuits and neurochemicals involved in food hoarding. Dopamine agonists stimulate it, serotonin agonists reduce it, and gonadal steroids and opiates also modulate this behavior.4,5 Electrical stimulation and lesion experiments implicate the prefrontal cortex, hypothalamus, hippocampus, and septum in the regulation of food hoarding.3
The onset of hoarding in patients with traumatic brain injury, stroke, and neurodegenerative diseases also points to the critical role of brain pathology in this condition. Recent studies have begun to pinpoint the specific brain circuits involved. In a positron emission tomography study of patients with OCD who were compulsive hoarders, Saxena and colleagues6 showed reduced glucose metabolism in the posterior cingulate gyrus, dorsal anterior cingulate gyrus, and cuneus.
Anderson and associates3 found that persistent hoarding behavior developed in 13 of 87 patients with brain lesions. All 13 had damage to the mesial prefrontal region. Salloway pointed out that patients with frontotemporal dementia seem especially prone to hoarding. He suspects, as do Anderson and colleagues, that hoarding arises when fronto-subcortical circuits that normally inhibit this behavior are interrupted.
Maria Mancebo, PhD, is applying this treatment in Providence, RI, and finds that patients do improve but that the going is slow. To achieve meaningful progress, she said, many require continued treatment beyond the usual 3-month period. CBT for hoarding has been developed for and applied to patients who have hoarding as a symptom of OCD. Nonetheless, some of the tactics used in the treatment, along with knowledge of hoarding's psychological underpinnings, can be applied in managing the hoarding that occurs in the context of brain injury, Alzheimer disease, frontotemporal dementia, and other neurodegenerative diseases.
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Post by chatty on Oct 31, 2008 18:11:58 GMT -8
Than You 3spottedmares....
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Post by kimc on Oct 31, 2008 18:28:51 GMT -8
WOW...that was entertaining...never even came close to anything i said but entertaining...oh well...
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Post by 3spottedmares on Oct 31, 2008 20:19:06 GMT -8
hhhuuuuhhh? are we "chatting" about mental illness here??? fine, claim mental illness. however, none of the hoarders that are having to take responsibility for their behavior recently have claimed BLINDNESS! Lice, flesh rot, feet desperately needing attention, malnutrition, depression, absesses can all be SEEN on good mental days and bad mental days. be responsible and if you have a mental issue, do not have animals that need a sound mind to take care of them, especially horses that have health issues...and shame MORE on those that enable hoarders and give them the resources to (money or otherwise) to continue... Forthem...good one about the orange wardrobe...got a kick outta that. Yes you did. Hoarding IS a mental illness. Would you make fun of someone with cancer or MS? You are just a mean person.
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Post by watermarkfarm on Nov 1, 2008 8:23:16 GMT -8
Yes you did. Hoarding IS a mental illness. Would you make fun of someone with cancer or MS? You are just a mean person. We'd expect them to get treatment for their illness, especially if it had a profound effect on those around them. Getting help and working hard to become healthy is noble; living in denial, despite causing suffering of the people and animals around you, is inexcusable.
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Post by chatty on Nov 1, 2008 10:33:52 GMT -8
Yes you did. Hoarding IS a mental illness. Would you make fun of someone with cancer or MS? You are just a mean person. We'd expect them to get treatment for their illness, especially if it had a profound effect on those around them. Getting help and working hard to become healthy is noble; living in denial, despite causing suffering of the people and animals around you, is inexcusable. So right ...But a person in denial will pass it off as something else...(know that one)..People all of us can pick up changes... Don't be afraid to talk to their doctor and explain what has been going on... Your Friends, animals and family will help...It is easier to know what's wrong, than digging a hole and hiding... And to all you bad mouth people...Handiecapes, disables "YOU CAN'T BE COUT...GIVE A HUG AND RECEIVE ONE BACK..." chatty
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Post by coco on Nov 3, 2008 14:38:33 GMT -8
So what are you claiming here, Dean has a mental illness? That if jail time is necessary, it should be in the State Mental Hospital?
You can not compare phyical illness with hoarding. Though maybe you could compare hoarding to addiction. You sometimes have to hit the bottom before a light comes on. Her trial will be the bottom, and I hope her sentance is the light.
If someone were taking care of children the way she took care of horses, would you say it was OK because she was suffering from a mental illness? Hell no, you would say arrest her and throw her in jail. Just a thought.
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